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Latecommer · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Central California

One of the fast growing "green" industries profiting off alarmist views of climate change is the Carbon Neutral industry.
Carbon offsets are sold by an orginization that is deemed green, (producing less GHG's than others) to companies producing more GHG.

This smacks of the indulgence policy of the Catholic church in the middle ages. As pointed out in a new book "The Carbon Neutral MYth" the church capitalized on the supposed purity of the priesthood, relative to the general public, by selling part of that excessive "holiness" to those who were rich enough to buy, and not inclined to change their ways.
The same seems to be the SOP of the new priesthood of climate alarmists.

Why is this not a hypocritical farce? In selling these indulgences, is there any reduction in the supposed danger to man-kind from carbon dioxide? Or does this in fact allow a stasis in the production of this GHG, provided of course that the off-set truely "off-sets."

I have often heard that Al Gore is an owner, or has interest in, a Carbon Neutral company. Does any member here have information to collaborate, or refute, what I have heard?

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scpg02 · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 221 Location: Sacramento

Yes Al Gore has ownership or interests in such a company. And to offset his carbon use of a private jet to push his carbon credit plan he buys carbon credits from his own company.

It gets worse. I've been trying to tell people how this whole AGW scam works in the financial and political world but few understand it or are willing to look I guess.

My friend Mark did a bunch of research on it and sunk it all into a nice post in a conversation about the California energy crisis. He used the MTBE fiasco as his example of how the game works and talks about the carbon credit scam in one paragraph. It's a long read but if you can get around the feeling of coming into the middle of a conversation it's very informative.

Pick your environmental concern, the game and players are the same!

The italics is quoted text from the post he is answering.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999451/posts?page=67#67

Andre · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject:

Thanks Maggie,

I'm afraid that Global Warming is turned into a multi billion industry. So, what would happen if the balloon is pinched? That's a real cause of concern but then again what if it doesn't and we have to find out the hard way during the next solar minimum chill.

Mind that is very necesary starting to convert to a natural oil independent society. The known reserves seem not to be growing faster anymore than the production. We may have only 30 years more to go.

But if we do it with global warming as reason then we end up putting carbon in the soil, launching satellites to dim the sun, killing all the rain forest for bio fuel and perhaps some other counter productive things.

What to do?
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scpg02 · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 221 Location: Sacramento

Andre · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:49 am Post subject:

billiards · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject:

For a moment there I thought they wanted to build a theme park on the site of a nuclear power plant!! But no, it turns out that the site was originally intended for a nuclear plant, but the idea was scrapped and the site was sold on to someone who decided to turn it into a theme park.

"Carbon offsetting" is very dubious, it has been widely attacked as a nonsensical policy. Personally I believe it is a misnoma, paying money to be allowed to pump out more is hardly the same thing as actually not pumping the stuff out in the first place - even if there is some self-professed good guy with a wind farm, dumping iron scrapings in the ocean and planting trees in the background.

Latecommer · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Central California

Does anyone know the name of the concern that Al Gore is involved with?

In local debates with earth science teachers at the highschool and Jr. College level, I am reticent to point this out without the actual name of the company or brokerage he has invested in.
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scpg02 · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 221 Location: Sacramento

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