Earth Sciences Forum

Andre · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Kristen

About introductions, I think our lastest member #12, Kristen deserves a special welcome.

Hi Kristen, can you tell us about your projects? Thanks

Her website:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunder/index.html

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scpg02 · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 221 Location: Sacramento

Matt · Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 14

Hello there. I'm Matt, 21 years old and studying geography in the UK. I'm particularly interested in sedimentary geology but will dabble in more or less anything earth science related. Most of you will either know me as Matthyaouw or The Matt from various message boards.

billiards · Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:

Warm welcomes to Mitch and Matt,

Mitch, don't worry about not being an expert, I'm sure you have much to bring, and we're relying on you to bring us a few laughs.

Matt, I had no idea The Matt and Matthyaouw were the same person!

Good to have you both on board.

Matt · Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 14

I ditched the former name when I realised few could spell it and practically none could pronounce it Wink

Nice site! I hope the memberlist keeps growing.

Baywax · Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Pacific West Coast

chemisttree · Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 1 Location: San Antonio, Texas

Hi everyone! I'm Scott, a synthetic chemist living in San Antonio, TX. Since reading "The Skeptical Environmentalist", I've had my doubts about AGW.
Since hurricane Katrina those doubts have crystallized into a sinking realization that AGW is a political movement masquerading as a scientific theory. This year San Antonio is experiencing a 'year without a summer' attributed by some wingnuts to AGW. The meterologists tell us that the high pressure dome, normally centered over Oklahoma and North Texas in the summer, is now located over Utah and Nevada. As a result the normally moist Gulf of Mexico breezes have a chance to develop into precipitation over Texas rather than farther north as usual. The cloud cover has reduced the daily high temperatures toward the 80's from the normal mid 90's we usually see. The wingnuts are asking us to believe that the higher temperature due to AGW is causing more evaporation of water from the Gulf leading to more rainfall this year (the dewpoints haven't changed at all). Same argument that was used to blame Katrina on AGW.

Gotta go now, water's risin'!

Latecommer · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Central California

My name is Doug. I recognize several friends here from climatesceptics. I am an admirer of Andre's,(I recognized your avatar from another forum as well) and I simply adore Kristen. (Oh to have that talent at your age) I believe there is at least one more 'sceptic' here, NileQueen. Glad you are here, I have always enjoyed your posts.

I am a highschool science teacher who is a 'latecommer' to my true love...geology. I was in my 40's before I discovered what I wanted to be when I grew up. Since then,I have accumulated 110 units in geology and paleontology from Modesto Cummunity College, Stanislaus State University, (Cal St University system) and the University of Reno. I hope to be accepted at the Colorado School of Mines to consolidate my credits and begin a masters program. (they do except 61 year olds don't they) :)

I have participated in digs in Montana with Jack Horner, and several in Utah with Reno.

I consider myself a rank amature and value this, and like forums, as free university instruction, with the quality of some of the posters already here, maybe even a step up from that. I expect it will only get better.
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scpg02 · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 221 Location: Sacramento

Andre · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:07 am Post subject:

hi Scott and Doug

Welcome, I hope that we can entertain you with some ideas about intruguing mysteries from the past.

About Kristen, I know that she is outmaxed right now. She is fine but she has some other things on her mind than posting here right now. Apart from that she needs also be doing things that 15 year old people usually do in their holidays. She will join in again in due time, I'm sure
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billiards · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:

Welcome Scott and Doug.

Scott, it is unfortunate that politicians have used "science" as a tool, and have jumped to premature, unfounded conclusions; however, does that make AGW a fallacy?

Doug, good luck with your application to Boulder!

Looking forward to seeing you guys post.

Jack

Latecommer · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Central California

Thank you Jack and Andre. I will be a listener primarily, but if I have a question I feel worth asking you will hear from me.

No Jack, I don't think anything I have learned so far makes AGW less of a possiblitiy, but I do feel it is most likely les of a concern or threat. As many see it, it has been exagerated in the attempt to promote the idea, perhaps to the point of causing some to discount it all together. Amature that I am I understand that the scientific method is the way to approach truth. Set up your target and let everyone try to shoot it down.
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Andre · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject:

About Global Warming most unfortunately the discussion has polarized sharply to the extremes.

I think it is a good idea to read Spencer Weart's discovery of global warming, especially the chapters
Past climate cycles and Rapid climate change.

After reading that, it certainly makes sense being highly suspicious about greenhouse gas - global warming. In that sense "global warming" is definitely on a scientific track, no doubt about that.

However, (of course you'd expect an however) Weart describes how hypotheses are shaped up but not how they are tested. One extremely hypothesis is that isotopes are temperature and certainly they are in one dimension but this effect is highly overpowered by other factors. I'll start a thread about that in due time. The acceptance that isotopes signify something else, completely disqualifies the current paleo climatal understandings.
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Robbie · Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 1

Hi there, I'm Robbie, I'm a 20 year old medical student living in Ireland.

I dont know how much I'll have to contribute here, but I'll be reading nonetheless!!!

Essan · Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Evesham, Worcs

I suppose I ought to introduce myself Wink

I'm Andy, 41, living in Evesham, Worcs, England. I'm an amateur meteorologist (I co-own www.Ukweatherworld.co.uk) with additional interests in geology and climate science - particularly with regards the ice ages. I've known Andre and NQ for quite a while now and have followed the development of their theories with great interest (although my own ideas conflict with theirs in some areas Wink

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On the subject of climate change, I believe that we're experiencing multiple regional climate change for a variety of reasons - some natural and some due to human activity - and it's far more complicated than many experts - on either side of the debate - like to pretend. Cutting carbon emissions is a great idea for many reasons, but I don't think it'll make much difference climate wise.

I also like hillwalking and doing landscape and skyscape photography.

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