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Andre

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Germany - The Nederlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Venus express |
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The opener.
The Venus express is orbiting the planet for over a year now
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMZT4N0LYE_index_0.html
The most spectacular find was a strange vortex in the atmosphere on the south pole.
Also the surface temperature is being mapped in order to find if there is active volcanism. I haven't seen any being reported so far. Actually it's very silent about any results, in contrast with the Mars express.
I have a few running predictions following a crazy hypothesis, saying that there is no recent volcanism anymore. Recent as in a few million years.
We'll see.
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hypatia

Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Michigan USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, for a program that is already a year old, there is very little information about its findings. Now you have me wondering why? _________________ Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.
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Andre

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Germany - The Nederlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Most likely because there is nothing significant to report. I checked the BAUT forums, nothing there either. I have a google alert running on "Venus express", silent.
I guess they have not found that life vulcano which was required to explain the sulphur acid staying aloft in the atmosphere or something like that which is good news since that is consistent with my little idea.
I'm also curiuos about the radiation balance. It has been reported in the past that Venus was emitting more energy than it recieved, also the greenhouse numbers don't add up. You can calculate that with the same sensitivity on Earth the greenhouse temperature would only be some 400F, 150Celsius. Instead the temps are about 470 degrees Celsius while it is inferred that they may have been 1000K:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1152.pdf
Now Vicky Hansen states:
| Quote: | | Climate models indicate that during an ancient time of globally thin lithosphere surface T could have exceeded 1000K due to volcanic gases [10], |
but the climate model of Grinspoon and Bullock only reach 900K in fig 6 at page 8.
At any rate, that would imply cooling on its way to a balanced greenhouse temperature which would be a couple of hundred degrees lower.
If there is interest for it I could run the solution-for-all-Venus-elements again. Some members are familiar with that though. _________________ Moderator of http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics/
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Baywax

Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Pacific West Coast
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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The silent Venus Express. Could it be there are findings that the planet is only 3600 years old? (don't mind me!) _________________ Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory. Leonardo Da Vinci
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NileQueen

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 77 Location: southern Indiana/Cincinnati Ohio
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Baywax wrote: | | The silent Venus Express. Could it be there are findings that the planet is only 3600 years old? (don't mind me!) |
Beeswax, you're not a planetary creationist are you?  |
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Andre

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Germany - The Nederlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all, I'm just at the other end of a 500 mile road trip, transferring from one reisdence (Germany) to the other (The Netherlands). This causes changes in priority away from forums. I'll make up tomorrow.
Unlikely that there is a way to detemine that Venus is only a few thousand years old.
Thanks to radar imagery of the Magellan satellite we know the surface of Venus just as well as than that of Earth.
Venus chronology has been intensely studied based on the ~1000 identified meteorite impact craters, compared to those on Earth and moon. This hypothesis concludes, as I recall, a mean surface age of 600 million years, the oldest (Tesserae) terrains being around one billion years old.
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