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billiards
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Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Introductions Reply with quote

Greetings all,

My name is Jack, I am a geophysicist from the UK. I set up this site because I was frustrated with other earth science forums on the web, hopefully this place will provide me (and you) with some more than satisfactory discussion. Apart from science, I am also interested in music (especially guitars), and politics.


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Andre



Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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Location: Germany - The Nederlands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Andre Reply with quote

Hi I'm André and I'm frustrated with the deplorable state what the Earth science is in. I give an immediate example:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/97/4/1390.pdf?ck=nck

Now, can anybody tell me how much West Norway and the Alps have warmed during the transition from the last glacial. I thought I could until I read the conclusion. Shocked

Anyway, here to challenge some paradigms.
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NileQueen



Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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Location: southern Indiana/Cincinnati Ohio

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings!

I am Joanne. I just graduated with a BA in geosciences from Indiana University and will start this fall at University of Cincinnati in the geology/glaciology department. My interests are late Pleistocene climate change, and megafaunal extinction, which take me into all kinds of disciplines. I'd like to know i.e. why the Laurentian ice sheet melted, why Greenland ice sheet didn't (or at least held its own), and what causes Heinrich events. How would we build an ice sheet theoretically?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Andre and Joanne!

You are the first members of this forum, here from day 1.
It appears that you both have quite similar interests which can only be a good thing...

Congratulations on your BA Joanne, you have some questions that I sure would like the answers to myself! If you would like to explore these in more depth, may I suggest that you make a new topic in the Atmosphere, Ocean, and Climate forum, where your questions are more likely to receive specific attention Very Happy . I see that Andre has already got stuck in.
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wolram



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea billiards, i will not be able to add much, i hope to learn more.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, I am Mac; I believe we're all pretty familiar with each other so far. I would be glad to help out with anything technical of the site as well, if I can.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Wolram and Mac, good to see you.

Wolram, I have seen your posts in PF, I'm sure your knowledge will be valuable to us here, and we are all hoping to learn from each other (no pressure or anything Wink ).

Mac, your enthusiasm has been notified, if you want to mod PM me and we'll sort it out...

Cheers
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scpg02



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, I'm Maggie and I'm not a scientist of any kind. Hope I'm not to out of place here. I post on a few different forums.

And billards, your avatar is waaaay to big. Sorry just my opinion.
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Andre



Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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Location: Germany - The Nederlands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Maggie,

Really, I think it's a very good idea to be here. Despite Discovery channel and such networks, I think there is still a gap between the Earth specialists and other people. Scientific papers seem boring to read and highly incomprehensable. That also means that there are only a few really controlling what's going in the several branches of Earth science. Therefore, I think it should be known to all who care that things are not such a done deal at all.

I see for instance that the specialists in one corner seem not to talk to specialists in other corners. The most flagrant example is the ice core climatologists and the paleonthologists living in a completely different world. They also have different ages, ice core people use calendar dates while paleonthologists have carbon ages, which means that they cannot compare their results.

But how about problems within one article that I hinted to:
West Norway:
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All groups show a steep temperature rise during the first 500 yr of the Holocene of'6°C

Switserland:
Quote:

At the start of the Holocene, summer temperatures warmed by 2–3°C over ca. 160 yr (pollen) or 5–6°C over ca. 400 yr (Cladocera),


But then in the conclusion:
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In contrast, the values and ranges of the Holocene temperature rise are very similar in both areas ('8–10 to '12–13°C during the first 500 yr).


'8–10 to '12–13°C is ice core assumption. Is this how you synchronize the ice cores with the other data?

There is something really wrong there.
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Baywax



Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Hi Gang Reply with quote

You guessed it, its a bloody Canadian! From Vancouver no less!

I've posted my jam band website because billiards seems interested in music. If you look at my interests you'll see I'm fairly earthish with paleointerests (all of them including botony, anthropology etc...) Archaeology (12 years just studying/excavating and surveying a 1500 km radius around this river basin we're in, geology (comes with the territory) biology (to 3rd year), History and Art History and Music and Money.

I have many friends who are threatening to disown me because I have questioned the hype and propaganda surrounding Global Swarming. You should see the indignant faces when you question why people are not paying more attention to over fishing, drugs and antibiotics in our drinking water.... and other concerns.

In fact, the closest friend of mine will be signing the American Academy of Arts and Sciences roster along side Al (I invented the internet) Gore and she is an incredibly critical mind yet can't see beyond the big scare and her egotistical tendencies where she thinks she'll save the world.... just like big Al.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, just testing my avitar. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Maggie and Baywax,

Maggie, I recognize you from 'The Science Forum' where I put a link to this place in my sig, I haven't got round to PMing individuals from that place yet (I'll do that tonight). Most of the rest of us are from 'The Physics Forum' (PF), even thought most of us aren't really physicists! Oh and about the avitar, it was too big so I changed it Wink .

Baywax, just listened to your music, very raw, nice funk jam I listened to, was that you on guitar? So you're an archaeologist, I actually did some archaeological geophysics last year at uni, managed to find some early 17th Century copper mines in the English Lake District.

With regards to this talk about global (s)warming (sic?), just in case anybody was wondering, I didn't set up this forum just for anti-GW people to vent their steam, I personally am of "cautiously pessimistic" GW stance (basically I believe it is really happening and that humans are probably making it worse). In fact, GW is not of especial importance in this forum, anything earth science related goes... but of course, if our users want to talk global warming (from whatever position they happen to have) - then talk global warming they shall.
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MacGyver1968



Joined: 24 Jul 2007
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Location: Dallas, Texas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm here!! I'm no Earth Science expert, but I'll try..and you know me..I'll try to add a few jokes.

Dang...10 members and 2 Mac's...this could get confusing...guess I'll go by Mitch on this board. Smile

edit: ps.. I'll mod if you want me to. I have experience...and no life.
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andre wrote:

I see for instance that the specialists in one corner seem not to talk to specialists in other corners. The most flagrant example is the ice core climatologists and the paleonthologists living in a completely different world. They also have different ages, ice core people use calendar dates while paleonthologists have carbon ages, which means that they cannot compare their results.


LOL! There was a poster on another board that I went round and round with about global warming. I actually think she was a government worker spending our tax dollars posting on line. Anyway she told me several times that only climatologists were expert enough to decide on global warming. No other scientific discipline was relevant or worthy of consideration. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scpg02 wrote:
LOL! There was a poster on another board that I went round and round with about global warming. I actually think she was a government worker spending our tax dollars posting on line. Anyway she told me several times that only climatologists were expert enough to decide on global warming. No other scientific discipline was relevant or worthy of consideration. Rolling Eyes


For some other considerations see:

http://earth.myfastforum.org/about12.html



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